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Schmike
01-02-2011, 01:48
pics:
http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Bichir/Polypterus%20bichir%20bichir/IMG_2114.jpg

http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Bichir/Polypterus%20bichir%20bichir/IMG_2119.jpg

http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Bichir/Polypterus%20bichir%20bichir/IMG_2121.jpg

http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Bichir/Polypterus%20bichir%20bichir/IMG_2117.jpg

im pretty sure i got the real deal. just to confirm again. :blushing:

amiidae
01-02-2011, 07:42
Congrats !! Can't wait to see update when the fish is more settled. :)

Schmike
01-02-2011, 07:59
Thanks to both u n tokyogasmask in AF for the assurance on the ID n lots of trust among many.

So far the markings have darkened slightly this morning. Hopefully it will do well under my care.

MilkMan
01-02-2011, 08:35
nice PBB schmike, almost bagged this piece as recommended by a good pal but decided to save up for a "turkana"..tat is if it ever reaches our tiny island. :tongue:

Curupira
01-02-2011, 08:56
nice PBB schmike, almost bagged this piece as recommended by a good pal but decided to save up for a "turkana"..tat is if it ever reaches our tiny island. :tongue:

haha i plan to save up...the way i spend scared myself...
save then go other country to get it...
it like a tour with a mission haha "Uncle Adventure" lo

back to topic,
if i am not wrong these 2 marking on the head can tell it is a PBB

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj118/glass_sg/untitlededit.jpg

Schmike
01-02-2011, 09:10
nice PBB schmike, almost bagged this piece as recommended by a good pal but decided to save up for a "turkana"..tat is if it ever reaches our tiny island. :tongue:

i was considering between this n the other piece of similar size. end up i decided to get this biggest piece.



if i am not wrong these 2 marking on the head can tell it is a PBB

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj118/glass_sg/untitlededit.jpg

what i was told is the white patches on the "cheeks". browsed through a mag there n basically we can see that only PBB have prominent big white patch at the cheek area. all other bichirs have patterns covering almost the entire side.

a shot taken with my mobile this morning before i left for work:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5175/5405529887_d8d795c0f7_z.jpg

desmondekker
01-02-2011, 09:41
wah very nice pick up! looks damn jurassic!

MilkMan
01-02-2011, 14:51
haha i plan to save up...the way i spend scared myself...
save then go other country to get it...
it like a tour with a mission haha "Uncle Adventure" lo
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj118/glass_sg/untitlededit.jpg

uncle only wants to go SA, not africa! wahahaha! taiwan trip possible..... as spoken let me know.

costa
02-02-2011, 10:53
Very nice catch not easy to get a PBB.

Schmike
02-02-2011, 11:30
desmond: wait till it hits 20"++ then it will look much better. :biggrin:

so far the markings have darkened slightly:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5217/5407925808_bfb297bb77_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5214/5407925804_c582cea11b_b.jpg

Curupira
02-02-2011, 11:44
desmond: wait till it hits 20"++ then it will look much better. :biggrin:

so far the markings have darkened slightly:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5217/5407925808_bfb297bb77_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5214/5407925804_c582cea11b_b.jpg
great catch... i like this guy among the rest as the head profile shows deep marking..
anyway heard their growth rate is crazy...

Schmike
02-02-2011, 12:26
Will be nice to see it grow that fast. Hopefully this pc can hit 20" or more within the next few months.

amiidae
02-02-2011, 13:44
Thanks to both u n tokyogasmask in AF for the assurance on the ID n lots of trust among many.

So far the markings have darkened slightly this morning. Hopefully it will do well under my care.

Your collections are moving towards top-shelf. fm Albino adonis, gulper cat, RES... now a PBB. :thumbup1:

Schmike
02-02-2011, 14:19
I can't have many tanks. So I have to be very sure of what I want and get only what I want although there are times that I buy without thinking.

PBB is my die die must have collection since I started out on bichirs few years back.

TRIX
02-02-2011, 15:03
Solid pbb there...I had a very restless night the night before the morning shipment:laugh:..was very sure I'm getting one for myself but something else distracted me in the shop and I topaoz that something else:tt1:...my love for pleco is too strong..:tongue:

Schmike
02-02-2011, 15:07
expect the unexpected. haha.

if u guys didn't "give up" on getting them, i doubt i will have the chance to own this pc.

amiidae
02-02-2011, 20:46
nice PBB schmike, almost bagged this piece as recommended by a good pal but decided to save up for a "turkana"..tat is if it ever reaches our tiny island. :tongue:

奶哥, so when are you going to showcase yours ? :)

Schmike
02-02-2011, 21:46
Ya. Show the ones u got. I believe u manage to get the better ones since u are there when the stock arrive.

amiidae
02-02-2011, 22:19
I believe u manage to get the better ones since u are there when the stock arrive.

Not really. They all look pretty much the same to me. :)

MilkMan
03-02-2011, 21:49
they all look alike :tongue: simply because they are all PBB and not looking like lapradei :lol:

Schmike
03-02-2011, 22:38
nice one. but how's the markings? darkened?

Gecko
04-02-2011, 10:45
they all look alike :tongue: simply because they are all PBB and not looking like lapradei :lol:

like your style bro, go, see, like, pay. so much bs from some self proclaimed expert talk big talk bird....but I digress...

do take a pic when it has settled. Happy labbit year.

Curupira
04-02-2011, 15:47
like your style bro, go, see, like, pay. so much bs from some self proclaimed expert talk big talk bird....but I digress...

do take a pic when it has settled. Happy labbit year.

Well I think the self proclaimed expert is his fan...
Haha "heard you this & that" by his fan...
Can start his own "polypterus fan club"

MilkMan
04-02-2011, 19:36
lets stay on the topic.... :wink:

lucky shot, not as pale

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/arofanatic/fe54bf0a.jpg

Schmike
04-02-2011, 19:49
Looks gd. Mine looks like having a darker base color.

TRIX
05-02-2011, 00:20
Well I think the self proclaimed expert is his fan...
Haha "heard you this & that" by his fan...
Can start his own "polypterus fan club"
WHO..?? Haha...

lets stay on the topic.... :wink:

lucky shot, not as pale

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/arofanatic/fe54bf0a.jpg

Nice shot Milky...why the snout area is missing? It could be mistaken for a lapredei even for that expert you know..lol

MilkMan
05-02-2011, 00:26
Nice shot Milky...why the snout area is missing? It could be mistaken for a lapredei even for that expert you know..lol

U using iPhone to view?

TRIX
05-02-2011, 10:32
U using iPhone to view?

Yah, no wonder..

Tokyogasmask
05-02-2011, 20:34
Looking good Scmike, Milkman!

MilkMan
05-02-2011, 21:38
Looks gd. Mine looks like having a darker base color.

do update when u can, mine started taking sinking pellets but yet to see him take mp.

MilkMan
05-02-2011, 21:39
Looking good Scmike, Milkman!

welcome to PFK, PBB guru :thumbup1:

Schmike
05-02-2011, 21:44
Will try when I get to see it again. Now its always hiding behind the pump and that area of my tank is covered by lots of driftwood.

Haven't seen mine feed yet. Fed some MP few days back but didn't see it eat.

Tokyogasmask
05-02-2011, 21:50
welcome to PFK, PBB guru :thumbup1:

HAHA, I wish!

Just a thought, as you guys have Wild caught fish, have you de-wormed etc?
I always do that with my WC Bichirs, especially if they don't have a ravenous appetite!

MilkMan
05-02-2011, 21:51
Will try when I get to see it again. Now its always hiding behind the pump and that area of my tank is covered by lots of driftwood.

Haven't seen mine feed yet. Fed some MP few days back but didn't see it eat.

have lots of dw in my setup too hence the picture posted was a "lucky shot". was home the entire day today, saw it coming out towards the front of tank on few occasions but quick to retreat b4 i can get my iphone! hehe

MilkMan
05-02-2011, 22:01
HAHA, I wish!

Just a thought, as you guys have Wild caught fish, have you de-wormed etc?
I always do that with my WC Bichirs, especially if they don't have a ravenous appetite!

dont preach what i'm gonna tell you :laugh:... i never had once de-wormed or quarantine my WC rays, bichirs,discus,plecos,cichlids and other.... its a BIG risk but as long as i dont see a sick fish, i presume it'll be good. Uncle "G" sometimes says we're crazy... hahahaha! :lol:

Tokyogasmask
05-02-2011, 22:06
dont preach what i'm gonna tell you :laugh:... i never had once de-wormed or quarantine my WC rays, bichirs,discus,plecos,cichlids and other.... its a BIG risk but as long as i dont see a sick fish, i presume it'll be good. Uncle "G" sometimes says we're crazy... hahahaha! :lol:

That's cool.
I only tend to do it with my Bichirs, other fish not so much.

The only reason I suggested is I have had a few WC Bichirs come to me with IP, it was cutting their appetite. As soon as I cleared up the IP, the appetite went crazy!

Schmike
05-02-2011, 22:06
Same for me. I only treat it if the fish have visible symptom of sickness or infections.

Schmike
05-02-2011, 23:03
have lots of dw in my setup too hence the picture posted was a "lucky shot". was home the entire day today, saw it coming out towards the front of tank on few occasions but quick to retreat b4 i can get my iphone! hehe

See when I have time to get it out for more shots. Have to do that to get decent shots of it. Even when I force it out it will end up hiding beside/behind my big endies.

Curupira
05-02-2011, 23:42
Welcome Tokyogasmask
My other nick is Tigriuns™
Guess you know who is my hidden bichir friend.

Come on milkman post all your 4 big guy together family shot...
Your big angsorii , big endi , big PBB & Big Da Po Lan
Haha

amiidae
06-02-2011, 09:46
Welcome to PFK, Tokyogasmask. :)


dont preach what i'm gonna tell you :laugh:... i never had once de-wormed or quarantine my WC rays, bichirs,discus,plecos,cichlids and other.... its a BIG risk but as long as i dont see a sick fish, i presume it'll be good. Uncle "G" sometimes says we're crazy... hahahaha! :lol:

I think Woody's fish were all treated for external parasites. Seen few batches of wild bichirs from him and they were all free from it. but internal parasites is another issue.


Same for me. I only treat it if the fish have visible symptom of sickness or infections.

Edwin, did you treat that Polypterus senegalus on Macrogyrodactylus polypteri aka bichir worm ? I assume your PBB is housed with it.

btw, I have some jungle lab parasite clear that I got fm overseas. Let me know if you guys need some. :)

Schmike
06-02-2011, 11:24
Edwin, did you treat that Polypterus senegalus on Macrogyrodactylus polypteri aka bichir worm ? I assume your PBB is housed with it.

btw, I have some jungle lab parasite clear that I got fm overseas. Let me know if you guys need some. :)

yes. they were treated with external parasites medication. but took quite some time to get rid of all of them.

the PBB is in my main tank. those tiny senegals will surely end up as feeders in there. I've lost 1x ~7" ansorgii in there within days of introduction and 1x ~6" delhezi after 2-3 months. :blink:

Tokyogasmask
06-02-2011, 11:39
Thanks for the kind welcome guys.

How did you loose the 7" Ansorgii Shmike?

Schmike
06-02-2011, 12:00
It believe it was eaten by my rays or the big endies.

MilkMan
06-02-2011, 12:16
I think Woody's fish were all treated for external parasites. Seen few batches of wild bichirs from him and they were all free from it. but internal parasites is another issue.
btw, I have some jungle lab parasite clear that I got fm overseas. Let me know if you guys need some. :)

excellent! :thumbup:

MilkMan
06-02-2011, 14:07
Thanks for the kind welcome guys.


Would you like to post your bichirs here?

Tokyogasmask
06-02-2011, 15:36
Would you like to post your bichirs here?

As it's a PBB post, i'll post one of my Chad: (yeah, I know tank is dirty, scratched etc. too many tanks, too little time)

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_4LFzTpQpU0o/TOu1E5oiIPI/AAAAAAAAUgI/NMf_o0He_sM/s1152/IMG_9169.JPG

MilkMan
06-02-2011, 16:54
Nice "Chad", good contrast! Captive bred? How long have you kept it in this tank? Size, diet?

Tokyogasmask
06-02-2011, 17:30
Nice "Chad", good contrast! Captive bred? How long have you kept it in this tank? Size, diet?

At the time of the photo, size was about 12". This piece is now about 14".
Captive breed by Kamihata. (F1, parents are both Wild Chad)

Diet is Hikari Massivore and shrimp.
Had 2 of these, one was dead upon arrival.

amiidae
07-02-2011, 09:01
Had 2 of these, one was dead upon arrival.

I am quite surprised that one DOA as bichir has the capabiility to breath air directly fm the surface. :(

btw, other than bichirs, what other fishes do you keep ? care to post them up ? also, do you have photos on your local fish shops / fish street ? It is always exciting to see how others display their fishes especially from other country.

Tokyogasmask
07-02-2011, 14:46
I am quite surprised that one DOA as bichir has the capabiility to breath air directly fm the surface. :(

btw, other than bichirs, what other fishes do you keep ? care to post them up ? also, do you have photos on your local fish shops / fish street ? It is always exciting to see how others display their fishes especially from other country.

Yes, I was a little annoyed at the DOA, didn't have any signs of what caused it either. I did get my money back though.

As for other fish, I have a fish room in my house with various tanks, and a fish room in work that I take care of.

Aside from the 30+ Polypterus, I keep S.A Arowana (Black), many types of snakeheads, Oscars, catfish and P.Bass. I have kept Dats in the past.

I see most of you are into Rays, that's something I would love to get into, but I really have no space anymore!

Channa post moved --> My paired up Channa Marulioides "Blue" (http://www.predatoryfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?3071-My-paired-up-Channa-Marulioides-quot-Blue-quot)

MilkMan
08-02-2011, 13:09
for those whom missed the recent batch from stones. Aquahobby brought in several wild "chad" PBBs, go check them out.

Schmike
08-02-2011, 22:36
finally saw mine feed on massivore.:biggrin:

Curupira
08-02-2011, 22:48
finally saw mine feed on massivore.:biggrin:

can see a video clip on it eating?

Schmike
08-02-2011, 22:51
it was hiding at the side of the tank under the dw n i saw it picking up the pellet. will try to record a short clip the next time i feed.

Tokyogasmask
09-02-2011, 14:00
finally saw mine feed on massivore.:biggrin:

Nice job mate!
It's all go from now then.

Schmike
09-02-2011, 14:22
what i saw was the "back" view. it was facing the back of the tank. based on the repeated movement of the head, i believe it was eating.

will try to record a feeding clip tonight if possible.

MilkMan
09-02-2011, 14:46
It believe it was eaten by my rays or the big endies.

once had a 9" Ansorgii's head chewed off by my PDR. body untouched...


what i saw was the "back" view. it was facing the back of the tank. based on the repeated movement of the head, i believe it was eating.

will try to record a feeding clip tonight if possible.

mine taking sinking carni. can see tummy taking shape! kekeke

Schmike
09-02-2011, 16:31
it was after i saw you mentioned that yours is feeding on carni pellets then i got massivore to try out. basically, they are the same except the difference in size.

MilkMan
09-02-2011, 23:50
it was after i saw you mentioned that yours is feeding on carni pellets then i got massivore to try out. basically, they are the same except the difference in size.

tried "charmy gang" sinking stick pellets, also eat :thumbup: they love mp too :laugh:

TRIX
09-02-2011, 23:58
tried "charmy gang" sinking stick pellets, also eat :thumbup: they love mp too :laugh:

Wah..congrats bro..!!:thumbup: Charmy gang damn champion one but have to take note of fouling the water if left untouched too long in the water.:wink:

Schmike
10-02-2011, 08:00
Same for massivore. Last few nights after feeding I can smell the pellets when I'm near the tank.

Didn't manage to see the pbb feed last night. Will wait till sat when I throw in feeders.

MilkMan
11-02-2011, 16:06
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/arofanatic/a1b894b1.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/arofanatic/fb56e67c.jpg

showing more color.:)

TRIX
11-02-2011, 16:39
I heard from Daniel (Aquahobby) that someone went down to his place yesterday and straight away asked why those pbb he selling are called PBB...:blink:...I think Daniel got snooked by this fella:cursing:

Milky, nice shots...:thumbup:

Schmike
11-02-2011, 17:30
he should ask the guy to ask the person who named it PBB back in 1802/1803.

the contrast of the patterns is looking very good. mine sometimes quite pale looking, sometimes whole fish quite dark. :(

Curupira
11-02-2011, 18:04
Hope there will be new shipment in March...
Looking nice..

MilkMan
11-02-2011, 18:12
Hope there will be new shipment in March...
Looking nice..

i'm still looking for PBB kaki leh....:lol: March shipment what PBB? turkana or chad? CB?

Nile Bichir
11-02-2011, 20:34
Hope there will be new shipment in March...
Looking nice..

Although the time interval between Aquahobby's batch and Stones' batch of PBB is a mere few weeks, I don't think there will be any incoming batches of PBBs in the near future. Indeed, Stones managed to get a batch, but Aquahobby got them via hand carriage from Japan. Hence, those who are interested in getting some PBBs should really get them now, if Aquahobby hasn't sold them yet of course.

Curupira
11-02-2011, 21:02
i'm still looking for PBB kaki leh....:lol: March shipment what PBB? turkana or chad? CB?

Ok now relocating my stuff...
My project should be finishing on mid March...
Tonight have to draw...
Get angsorii,congicus & chab PBB put in 3ft tank...

MilkMan
13-02-2011, 12:18
Forget to add :tongue: post 62 picture, fish from aquahobby.

TRIX
17-02-2011, 11:11
Simply irresistible..joined the Club PBB:blush:

Here's fish..:tt1:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/79628ded.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/3ea712a5.jpg

Schmike
17-02-2011, 12:00
the poison too deep to resist? seems like this time round the LFS no pleco for u to give up on PBB.

TRIX
17-02-2011, 14:05
the poison too deep to resist? seems like this time round the LFS no pleco for u to give up on PBB.

Haha...I opened up my options..:biggrin:

Nile Bichir
17-02-2011, 18:56
Simply irresistible..joined the Club PBB:blush:

Here's fish..:tt1:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/79628ded.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/3ea712a5.jpg

Congrats on the PBB! I suppose you got one of the remaining two from Aquahobby?

zaricfoo
17-02-2011, 20:21
Simply irresistible..joined the Club PBB:blush:

Here's fish..:tt1:



Congrats:) I'm still trying very hard to save for 1:D

Schmike
17-02-2011, 21:13
Don't worry. I believe u will get yours soon.

MilkMan
17-02-2011, 23:00
Haha...I opened up my options..:biggrin:

wahahaha! its only the start of things to come.....

TRIX
18-02-2011, 10:08
Congrats on the PBB! I suppose you got one of the remaining two from Aquahobby?
Thanks bro, yup...I'm always slow hand slow leg..haha

Congrats:) I'm still trying very hard to save for 1:D
Don't say that Jarrick, you will have your chance too:)

wahahaha! its only the start of things to come.....
I'm beginning to behave like Milky Junior...kekeke

Schmike
18-02-2011, 12:15
Sometimes slow may not be a bad thing. Some fish take a longer time to settle down and they may end up nicer than those that settle down fast.

TRIX
22-02-2011, 18:58
Finally get to see it's dark side...lol..and it is turning a little aggressive too.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/36b1081c.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/5025df50.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/ccb94737.jpg

amiidae
24-02-2011, 10:12
I like the deep green.

This bred fish right ? whats the dorsal fin count ?

p/s: you shld change your nick fm milkman to bichirman. :laugh:

nicktc
24-02-2011, 10:39
I like the deep green.

This bred fish right ? whats the dorsal fin count ?

p/s: you shld change your nick fm milkman to bichirman. :laugh:

or Moneyman sound better :w00t:

Curupira
24-02-2011, 11:33
or Moneyman sound better :w00t:

PrehistoricMan

amiidae
24-02-2011, 17:33
P.Bichir Bichir 'Tucana' (saw in stones's list). You got that fish, didn't you ?

Curupira
24-02-2011, 18:38
P.Bichir Bichir 'Tucana' (saw in stones's list). You got that fish, didn't you ?

You also looking for it???

Tokyogasmask
24-02-2011, 22:03
Just saw the pictured PBB on the Stones site, is it really Turkana?


It is hard to tell from the photo as it is bagged and not settled, but the spelling is "Turkana" not "Tucana"

Also, both my Turkana certs state the parentage on it.
At the top says "Lake Turkana" and in the middle in the "this is to certify" part, it says "of Lake Turkana Parentage".
Whereas my normal Kamihata PBB (Chad) cert has no parentage written and is black.

It is a Kamihata, so it would be a stunning fish whatever, though personally before buying it, I would like to see certification of it being from Turkana if it is selling for more than the Chad.
How much is it going for?

MilkMan
24-02-2011, 23:12
out of curiosity, can a 12" "turkana" PBB be wrongly ID'd and sold as a WC "chad" as part of a import of "chad" pbbs? i was told a collector got lucky, he had managed to have the fish ID"d as "turcana" by his friend in Japan. TGS, a business thought perhaps? since you're japanese and speak/write good english. i'm hoping all the recent "chad" PBBs are WC from "turkana" :w00t::tongue_smilie::biggrin: how nice would tat be!!! hehe biggrin:

MilkMan
24-02-2011, 23:14
out of curiosity, can a 12" "turkana" PBB be wrongly ID'd and sold as a WC "chad" as part of a import of "chad" pbbs? i was told a collector got lucky, he had managed to have the fish ID"d as "turcana" by his friend in Japan. TGS, a business thought perhaps? since you're japanese and speak/write good english. i'm hoping all the recent "chad" PBBs are WC from "turkana" :w00t::tongue_smilie:how nice would tat be!!! hehe :biggrin:

Tokyogasmask
24-02-2011, 23:17
In my opinion, all the wild PBB I have seen thus far are all Lake Chad.
They are all identical the the Chad PBB that Toyin exports. (I even wonder if the batch you guys all got recently originated from Toyin?)

amiidae
25-02-2011, 09:20
You also looking for it???

Not really, just that we've been talking abt finlet count few weeks ago. so I am interested to see the diff on this F1 fish.

MilkMan
25-02-2011, 10:20
do all kamihata Turkana PBB certs state parentage on them? had tried to get more information with regards to how many type of certs does kamihata give out, but can't seem to get reliable information.

TRIX
25-02-2011, 18:47
I would love to see a pix of a Chad from Kamihata, Japan. :w00t:

Tokyogasmask
25-02-2011, 20:38
I would love to see a pix of a Chad from Kamihata, Japan. :w00t:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_4LFzTpQpU0o/TOu1E5oiIPI/AAAAAAAAUgI/NMf_o0He_sM/s1152/IMG_9169.JPG

MilkMan
25-02-2011, 21:20
Shape differs from WC Chad.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/arofanatic/9ee87552.jpg

Tokyogasmask
25-02-2011, 21:57
Not really, the shape is pretty much the same.
The pics just don't really show it.

Though the CB keep the Juvi colors and patterns longer than the wild.

MilkMan
25-02-2011, 23:16
Yes maybe difficult to tell from the pictures but the F1 and the WC does look different. Difficult to put in words tho.

Tokyogasmask
25-02-2011, 23:31
Yes maybe difficult to tell from the pictures but the F1 and the WC does look different. Difficult to put in words tho.

I know what you mean bro.
My WC looks very different, mainly the colors. Wild have the more pale almost greyish green.

But also remember the piece I posted I paid a little more for as it was "show piece" whereas the 2nd one that came with it (cheaper, not show piece but also Kamihata Chad) that died looked very different. So I guess looks can vary just like most Bichirs.

TRIX
26-02-2011, 00:22
Wow..nice cb Chad, thanks for sharing bro! Btw, are there any significant differences between your cb Chad and cb Turkana? They all look very much alike to me as I have seen you posted your cn Turkana before. TIA:)

Tokyogasmask
26-02-2011, 00:42
Wow..nice cb Chad, thanks for sharing bro! Btw, are there any significant differences between your cb Chad and cb Turkana? They all look very much alike to me as I have seen you posted your cn Turkana before. TIA:)

Not mch to be honest.
It is just regional differences.
The colors are darker, less markings on turkana, and it's head shape especially around the front of the jaw.

I guess as they grow out of juvenile things may change more.

Schmike
27-02-2011, 22:49
a little update:
http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Bichir/Polypterus%20bichir%20bichir/IMG_2287.jpg

http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Bichir/Polypterus%20bichir%20bichir/IMG_2271.jpg

Tokyogasmask
27-02-2011, 22:53
Coloring up lovely now mate!

Schmike
27-02-2011, 23:04
is this coloration normal?

seems like what the rest got is green but mine is brown instead.

but interestingly, i saw it came out for hikari algae wafer which i fed my turtle in the same tank this morning.

Tokyogasmask
27-02-2011, 23:11
It's fine mate.
Coloration can vary so much.
Look at the pic I just posted of my WC Chad in the arofanatics PBB thread, you will see mine has a very pale greyish/greenish/blueish coloration.
It is around 40cm, so I guess total adult coloration.
Yours looks to still have juvenile coloration to it. (Lucky really, WC don't have as strong colors as CB)

Schmike
27-02-2011, 23:15
thanks.

i was thinking if it was due to stress and it jumping around and landed on the floor while i got it out in a shallow tank before i move it into my photography tank for the shots.:blush:

anyway, i still like this piece a lot. no matter what, it's still my 1st PBB. :biggrin:

the one i got is around 30cm.

Nile Bichir
27-02-2011, 23:30
a little update:
http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Bichir/Polypterus%20bichir%20bichir/IMG_2287.jpg

http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Bichir/Polypterus%20bichir%20bichir/IMG_2271.jpg

Very nice PBB, mate!There's no need to worry about its olive-brownish colourings. I'm sure more colouring and better contrast will show up under your excellent care.

Schmike
27-02-2011, 23:40
Very nice PBB, mate!There's no need to worry about its olive-brownish colourings. I'm sure more colouring and better contrast will show up under your excellent care.

hope it will look better in my next update.:)

TRIX
28-02-2011, 00:38
is this coloration normal?

seems like what the rest got is green but mine is brown instead.

but interestingly, i saw it came out for hikari algae wafer which i fed my turtle in the same tank this morning.

Woo..!! We can swap if you're not satisfied with it's coloration...lol

Yes, all my bichirs will take hikari algae wafer as well:)

Schmike
28-02-2011, 08:05
Not necessary. I don't mind slow progress. That's the fun and exciting part in this hobby.

Curupira
28-02-2011, 08:38
a little update:
http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Bichir/Polypterus%20bichir%20bichir/IMG_2287.jpg

http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Bichir/Polypterus%20bichir%20bichir/IMG_2271.jpg

very nice, much much better than i seen it in person the 1st time...
perhaps if that time got look this nice i might just packet this pc. haha

Schmike
28-02-2011, 09:17
Luckily when they first arrive very pale. Haha

MilkMan
28-02-2011, 10:23
mine colors different from yours. pale with olive green stripes. it takes algae waffers too.

Schmike
28-02-2011, 10:48
probably due to the environment.

TRIX
28-02-2011, 12:05
Not necessary. I don't mind slow progress. That's the fun and exciting part in this hobby.

Joking bro, don't take every word so seriously leh:blink:..of course can't swap lah...:biggrin:...
I don't think is slow progress, I think mine is...still pale and patternless.:(

Schmike
28-02-2011, 12:20
Slowly. PBBs are not so well sought after for no reason.

Tokyogasmask
01-03-2011, 17:42
Hello guys.

Been on a big trip to look at and possibly buy a new PBB Tukana "Wild".

Returned, a little stressed as to get said piece turns out I am going to have to trade some fish/equiptment in.

Anyway, here is a copy/paste of the thread I made in Arofanatics, I thought you guys may(may not) find it of interest:

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pasted from Arofanatics

http://arofanatics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=276813&d=1298960732


OK.
The above fish, is one of only 15 known WC PO. Bichir Bichir from Turkana that is in captivity outside of Africa.

Price?

....
....
....¥300,000. (about $3500 us)

Fish comes with certs, export papers and history of the fish. (all in Japanese, but below is a rough translation of the history booklet)

History:

Fish is female and came from the Kamihata "Turkana expedi 2008".
This was an expedition which involved Kamihata and a few other companies access to lakes on the Ethiopian side of the Turkana lake, in return for the companies setting up and teaching local tribes sustainable drinking water and sustainable food fish farming.

It was under strict UN regulations, and since tribal conflict re-arising in the region has now been abandoned.

This means until the UN regulations are redefined, the projects can not continue, and Kamihata Industries "Expedi" is no more.

Unfortunatly for us, the Turkana Bichirs tend to mainly populate this area of the lake only, due to human fishing and drilling in the other parts of the lake.

Local people fishing not even in but near the disputed border have been fired upon by local militia.

So pretty interesting stuff. And Tama-san from AquaArt, pretty much says that a pair of the wild Turkana have bred before and Kamihata have sold this batch. They have since not spawned again, but the breeding project continues.
So, My CB Turkana must have come from this brood, so if anyone buys a CB Kamihata Turkana, I can tell you roughly what size it should be, and can compare with mine.


And the way to tell Turkana and Chad apart?
This is where it gets interesting!

Head and face look VERY similar to Chad.
Colors are dark from juvenile up to 1 year, where it fades right out sometimes to the point of almost white.

On all specimens so far, dorsal finlets have been no less than 16, and up to 19.
As the color fades into adulthood, the dorsal finlets show a clear black marking almost like a dot on most or all finlets. This is the main way they are differentiated from other locales.

Of the caught fish patterning (and even coloration) has varied, so these are not used alone for ID.

They are thought to grow bigger than from other areas, reportedly up to 90cm. (Though this has not been proven)



So there you have it guys, im interested, and excited BUT.....

I was on the understanding that I would be paying ¥150,000 maybe less.
But the piece that I would of had looked like it had gone through a meat grinder. Real bad shape, and I'm not prepared to spend that money on something that could be dead by the time I get home!

So.... I need to raise a few more bucks, so this week I am going to try sell some of my fish and a 8ft x 3ft x 3ft glass tank to a local store and hope to make up the cash!


Forgot to add, the fish in the picture was moved into the tank it is in last week ready for me to view.
So new tank + white floor / background has affected the coloration a fair bit.

MilkMan
01-03-2011, 17:57
And the way to tell Turkana and Chad apart?
This is where it gets interesting!

Head and face look VERY similar to Chad.
Colors are dark from juvenile up to 1 year, where it fades right out sometimes to the point of almost white.
On all specimens so far, dorsal finlets have been no less than 16, and up to 19.
As the color fades into adulthood, the dorsal finlets show a clear black marking almost like a dot on most or all finlets. This is the main way they are differentiated from other locales.Of the caught fish patterning (and even coloration) has varied, so these are not used alone for ID.

Jan, tks for the insight. and do you know what size are the F1 "turkana" now? how many were sold?

Tokyogasmask
01-03-2011, 18:05
Jan, tks for the insight. and do you know what size are the F1 "turkana" now? how many were sold?

No problem buddy.
I believe it was 12 sold.
My 2 are both at around 14" now.

MilkMan
01-03-2011, 18:12
No problem buddy.
I believe it was 12 sold.
My 2 are both at around 14" now.

cheers mate. the pictures u posted above does not show.

MilkMan
01-03-2011, 18:31
imported from Taiwan :tongue: came out for mp, b4 i can take more shots.... it went away.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/arofanatic/10477684.jpg

Tokyogasmask
01-03-2011, 18:34
Nice bro!
Any documentation? Cost?

Looking at it, it is almost identical to my Kamihata Chad.

MilkMan
01-03-2011, 21:18
Nice bro!
Any documentation? Cost?

Looking at it, it is almost identical to my Kamihata Chad.

Have a piece of paper from kamihata. Fish is apprx 17".

Tokyogasmask
01-03-2011, 21:32
Have a piece of paper from kamihata. Fish is apprx 17".

Yes, I thought it had the Kamihata spotted cheeks!

Nice one bud!

TRIX
02-03-2011, 00:22
imported from Taiwan :tongue: came out for mp, b4 i can take more shots.... it went away.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/arofanatic/10477684.jpg

The colour comes out well...well done, probably the 1st Turkana pbb here, you make us "Singapore PFK Ah Pekz" proud..:thumbup:

Tokyogasmask
02-03-2011, 00:37
That's a Chad Kamihata.

TRIX
02-03-2011, 08:17
That's a Chad Kamihata.

Base on the cert or the fish features that u determine it's a Chad Kamihata?

Tokyogasmask
02-03-2011, 08:49
Base on the cert or the fish features that u determine it's a Chad Kamihata?

I don't know what is on milk mans certificate.
But I am basing it on the fact it is identical, could even be related to my Kamihata Chad:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_4LFzTpQpU0o/TOu1E5oiIPI/AAAAAAAAUgI/NMf_o0He_sM/s1152/IMG_9169.JPG

If it says "lake Turkana" under the main heading of the certificate, and "of Lake Turkana parentage" in the description, then I guess I was wrong!

Also (this may not be important) my Turkana certs are white and red border, my Chad and Ansorgii are black.

amiidae
02-03-2011, 10:02
imported from Taiwan :tongue: came out for mp, b4 i can take more shots.... it went away.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/arofanatic/10477684.jpg

Nice coloration. Looks quite diff as compared to the earlier batch indeed.

MilkMan
02-03-2011, 11:32
That's a Chad Kamihata.

hey bud, according to supplier, imported from Japan as "turkana". however, the cert given does not reflect as of turkana parantage. anyways, it sure looks diff from the WC "CHAD" some of us acquired recently. regardless, its kamihata, turkana or not.



Nice coloration. Looks quite diff as compared to the earlier batch indeed.

contrast, color better as days pass.

Tokyogasmask
02-03-2011, 13:27
hey bud, according to supplier, imported from Japan as "turkana". however, the cert given does not reflect as of turkana parantage. anyways, it sure looks diff from the WC "CHAD" some of us acquired recently. regardless, its kamihata, turkana or not.

Oh it is clearly a Kamihata that's for sure!

It looks identical to my Chad Kamihata.
They are F1, but the CB Chad (and CB Turkana for that matter) look NOTHING like WC PBB. (which is what you all got recently?)
Just the way it goes with most CB Bichirs, they always display more color and patterning (often shape too) than WC.

The only thing is, there was only one batch of Turkana produced in Japan, so I would have thought they would all carry the same certificate?


And as for the Quartz sand, It is expensive.
I want to get more for my tanks as I stupidly ruined mine by adding black to it!
It says on the pack it is 100% crushed Garnet stone.
Is this the same?

Nile Bichir
02-03-2011, 19:41
per kilo or per 10 kilo? per kilo means it's very ex.

how much does those cost in sg in the past?

i have ~30-40 kilo of sand in my tank. if change my tank to red quartz it will cost me a bomb. :scared:

Yea, that's pretty expensive. Got mine from a fellow hobbyist at $50 for around 30 kg, thanks to a great lobang from a friend of mine =)

@Milkman: Great catch, mate! Turkana or Chad, it's still a quality CB PBB from Kamihata. According to bro TGM, if there's only one batch of Turkana CB PBBs and your cert doesn't state it's parentage as Turkana, it is likely that your's may be a Chad CB PBB.

MilkMan
03-03-2011, 08:26
The only thing is, there was only one batch of Turkana produced in Japan, so I would have thought they would all carry the same certificate?


would likely be so but are you able to confirm this? curious cat here ;)

Tokyogasmask
03-03-2011, 09:11
Can confirm the one batch, but till I speak to the guys at AA I'm guessing the batch certs will be the same.

Talking of which in about 2 hours I am off to see them, another domestic flight, a little personal business, and MAYBE the Wild Turkana will be mine!!!

amiidae
03-03-2011, 09:26
Hi guys,

I split the thread and move some of the post here --> Bichir Clan (http://www.predatoryfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?3306-Bichir-Clan)

This thread shall be a dedicated thread for PBB. :)

MilkMan
03-03-2011, 11:33
Can confirm the one batch, but till I speak to the guys at AA I'm guessing the batch certs will be the same.

Talking of which in about 2 hours I am off to see them, another domestic flight, a little personal business, and MAYBE the Wild Turkana will be mine!!!

great! good trip.

Tokyogasmask
03-03-2011, 17:05
I'm returning, a lot lighter in the wallet, but heavier in the cargo!

Schmike
03-03-2011, 20:11
congrats. take some shots of it when it's stable in your tank.

Tokyogasmask
03-03-2011, 20:25
Home at last.

50cm Wild PO. Bichir Bichir Turkana!
Fish is male, and has a bit of a bad attitude. The original owners moved it into a viewing tank for me to look at the other day, and when I collected it today they told me it beat the crap out of everything in the tank last night!
I'm hoping this was a freak moment of aggression, as whatever tank I put it in has valuable fish in.

One of it's finlets is torn on the softer membrane part, I hope that will heal (I guess it will) I was going to use this to get the price down, but turns out I din't need to say anything, it had already been reduced for me by ¥100,000!
Still cost a bomb, but it always goes down well with the wife when a "discount" is involved... :)

Anyway heres some pics: (It has dropped all markings and color is paler since being bagged and transported)

http://i52.tinypic.com/1z557qa.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/2rgj320.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/1z353j9.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/2w4jy46.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/2zgc5dy.jpg

MilkMan
03-03-2011, 21:35
Congrats! Do update when it colours up. Head shape looks similar to my wc pbb.

Tokyogasmask
03-03-2011, 21:38
Congrats! Do update when it colours up. Head shape looks similar to my wc pbb.

Yes head shape is pretty much exactly the same as Chad.
Seems a little different in the jaw looking straight at it from the front, but other than that the same.

amiidae
04-03-2011, 22:28
That's an impressive looking fish, TGM.

Personally, I always preferred a wild rather than a bred fish.

btw, my first encounter with PBB is in Dec 2006. posted by a Japanese. :)

http://forums.waterwolves.com/uploads/post-8852-1167398717.jpg
Source : The coolest Polypterus !!!, True bichir bichir (http://forums.waterwolves.com/index.php?showtopic=110317&hl=)

and the first F1 I saw.. in oct 2007.

http://forums.waterwolves.com/uploads/post-327-1192351498.jpg
Source : True Bichir bichir natural color and many...., So many deream fish here !!!!!!! (http://forums.waterwolves.com/index.php?showtopic=121134&hl=)

Do you know what happened to the first fish ? what variant is that ?

Tokyogasmask
04-03-2011, 22:47
Thats a Chad.
BUT, it is a very good specimin.
It's "old school" Japanese PBB.
Nice extra bold colors.

I believe the Kamihata CB Chad are from very similar parents. Infact, I wonder if these are the ones from Kamihata. (Being that Kamihata were the first to breed PURE PBB, and there was only one other Japanese group that has managed it.)

Turkana Were not bred till 2008-2009.

Gecko
06-03-2011, 12:54
imported from Taiwan :tongue: came out for mp, b4 i can take more shots.... it went away.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/arofanatic/10477684.jpg

Milky,

Wild Caughts retain this coloration too into adulthood....

Compare: (no source provided but you shud have seen this in MonsterFishK...supposed to be a PbbT.)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7PD10If-KW8/SordyQ84MtI/AAAAAAAAD_c/9uVjjLh_xfw/s400/full20coluor20bichirDSCF024100020002.jpg

ps..the african calling is getting really strong.....

MilkMan
06-03-2011, 13:27
Hahaha these were collected during the kamihata expedition if I remember correct.

Tokyogasmask
06-03-2011, 13:53
Thats Turkana. from the Kamihata Expedi 2008 brochure.

The strong contrasted PBB in your earlier post is not Turkana, but Lake Chad.
These and more photographs are all in the Brochure that accompanies my Certs for the Turkana WC I just purchased, and posted above.

Here is my Kamihata Chad for compare:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_4LFzTpQpU0o/TLrgwMclX-I/AAAAAAAASvE/VH9PTCCGGDA/s1152/IMG_8232.JPG

Gecko
06-03-2011, 14:21
Arigato for the info...I like the deep contrast serpant.

Tokyogasmask
06-03-2011, 14:28
Arigato for the info...I like the deep contrast serpant.

Douitashimashite!

Yes, even though the price of Turkana is way higher, I think Chad look much nicer.
From what I see there is almost no difference between the 2 locations (3 if you include Omo).

Even more confusing is that color and pattern/contrast can vary per individual fish. So 2 Chad PBB may look very disimilar.
So I guess good supplier info and original certification is a good place to start!

Gecko
06-03-2011, 14:40
From what I see there is almost no difference between the 2 locations (3 if you include Omo).


From fishbase,
Distribution Africa: Nile River, Lake Turkana and Omo River (Ref. 2835); Lake Chad, Chari River and Logone River (Ref. 2835).

I still prefer WC whenever available...hope treehuggers wont see this.

Tokyogasmask
06-03-2011, 14:43
Totally agree.
As you can see from the Kamihata CB, they have great colors and patterns, but they lack the "Wild, rough" look of a WC.

My WC Turkana has been in tank for a few days now, and still hasn't colored up much.
I guess it will in a few weeks, but I am enjoying the look at the moment LOL.

Gecko
06-03-2011, 14:50
Thats a dream fish...Congrats!

Curupira
06-03-2011, 15:52
Thats a dream fish...Congrats!

So when you getting your PBB??

Gecko
06-03-2011, 15:56
the other way round, it will find me.....;}

MilkMan
06-03-2011, 15:59
Thats a dream fish...Congrats!

Your avatar have changed!!! :w00t::lol::lol: hope we get good news soon.....

Gecko
06-03-2011, 16:08
Spent too much time with you.

Curupira
06-03-2011, 18:10
Spent too much time with you.

When posting your new pet...

TRIX
06-03-2011, 21:56
Welcoming another PFK caveman on board...even avatar has changed, this time is for real..:laugh:

Schmike
06-03-2011, 23:23
a lousy shot of my PBB in my 6':
http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Bichir/Polypterus%20bichir%20bichir/IMG_2372.jpg

Curupira
06-03-2011, 23:33
a lousy shot of my PBB in my 6':
http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Bichir/Polypterus%20bichir%20bichir/IMG_2372.jpg

full tank shot bro...and it not lousy...

Tokyogasmask
06-03-2011, 23:34
a lousy shot of my PBB in my 6':
http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Bichir/Polypterus%20bichir%20bichir/IMG_2372.jpg

Haha you are so modest!
How is the PBB doing now eating well?
Starting to get a nice pattern going on.

Schmike
06-03-2011, 23:41
full tank shot bro...and it not lousy...

the flash didn't reach the base of the tank well to show the true color of the fish. :blushing:

now the tank looks ugly with a holding tank hanging in there. but it is similar to this shot taken some time back:
http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Misc/IMG_5558.jpg


Haha you are so modest!
How is the PBB doing now eating well?
Starting to get a nice pattern going on.

saw it feeding on massivore just now during feeding.

it is getting less shy and starting to hang around with the big endies in the open more often.

Tokyogasmask
06-03-2011, 23:43
Gorgeous fish and nice background! (says Dragon)

Schmike
06-03-2011, 23:52
Gorgeous fish and nice background! (says Dragon)
i got it 2nd hand from another hobbyist.

it was meant to mean arowana. but now i'm still keeping another type of dragon which is bichirs.:biggrin:

Curupira
06-03-2011, 23:54
the flash didn't reach the base of the tank well to show the true color of the fish. :blushing:

now the tank looks ugly with a holding tank hanging in there. but it is similar to this shot taken some time back:
http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Misc/IMG_5558.jpg



saw it feeding on massivore just now during feeding.

it is getting less shy and starting to hang around with the big endies in the open more often.

what is the orange spotted thing under the lima...

Schmike
07-03-2011, 08:02
the flash didn't reach the base of the tank well to show the true color of the fish. :blushing:

now the tank looks ugly with a holding tank hanging in there. but it is similar to this shot taken some time back:
http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Misc/IMG_5558.jpg



saw it feeding on massivore just now during feeding.

it is getting less shy and starting to hang around with the big endies in the open more often.

what is the orange spotted thing under the lima...

It's a ray that a friend left in my tank. It was purchased as motoro but seems like it's a sp.

MilkMan
19-03-2011, 00:01
beauty and beast

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/arofanatic/46a77c00.jpg

Nile Bichir
19-03-2011, 00:45
beauty and beast

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/arofanatic/46a77c00.jpg

Beauty or Beast, they are both equally gorgeous! Are these two PBBs from different batches?

Gecko
19-03-2011, 09:30
Welcoming another PFK caveman on board...even avatar has changed, this time is for real..:laugh:

caveman reporting...



When posting your new pet...

Here you go: more posted on bichir clan thread.

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd411/LawrenceTSiow/Picture125.jpg?t=1300497944

yoboman
19-03-2011, 18:16
the flash didn't reach the base of the tank well to show the true color of the fish. :blushing:

now the tank looks ugly with a holding tank hanging in there. but it is similar to this shot taken some time back:
http://www.schmike.net/gallery/Misc/IMG_5558.jpg



saw it feeding on massivore just now during feeding.

it is getting less shy and starting to hang around with the big endies in the open more often.

what type of gar is that in the middle?

Schmike
19-03-2011, 18:38
what type of gar is that in the middle?

Florida gar. Those so called spotted gar in sg.

yoboman
19-03-2011, 18:50
that piece is very nice never seen a florida gar with that type of pattern.

Cheesetian
19-03-2011, 19:06
that piece is very nice never seen a florida gar with that type of pattern.

Now that you've mentioned, yes, i've also never seen such patterns on a Florida before.

Gecko
19-03-2011, 20:38
Here's my brownish one

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd411/LawrenceTSiow/Picture005.jpg?t=1300538232

zaricfoo
20-03-2011, 09:22
Here's my brownish one

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd411/LawrenceTSiow/Picture005.jpg?t=1300538232

very nice head.. can just do the head exchange?

MilkMan
20-03-2011, 09:42
very nice head.. can just do the head exchange?

good shape indeed. how does yours look?

zaricfoo
20-03-2011, 11:36
good shape indeed. how does yours look?

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc108/zaricfoo/SpongeBob-SquarePants-ps01.jpg

Not as good as his:D

Nile Bichir
20-03-2011, 11:51
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc108/zaricfoo/SpongeBob-SquarePants-ps01.jpg

Not as good as his:D

Yours looks great as well, really flat-looking! Except maybe his PBB's head has a slight spoon-head to it. Indeed, his PBB's head looks awesome, not that yours isn't nice.

MilkMan
20-03-2011, 15:33
for discussion, are all "chad" river PBB similar in color? are there colour variations from different collection points in Chad? or pehaps, they are of another river?

Nile Bichir
20-03-2011, 18:02
for discussion, are all "chad" river PBB similar in color? are there colour variations from different collection points in Chad? or pehaps, they are of another river?

I don't think so, as I've seen Chad PBBs of numerous types of colour variants. They come in a variety of colour combinations, such as dark green and brown, bright green and yellow, mosgreen and white etc.

Tokyogasmask
20-03-2011, 18:48
Hi.
Yes, Chad PBB come in different colors/patterning.

Also, just for the record, Turkana and Omo PBB also range in color and patterning.
Infact the only guaranteed true difference between Turkana and Chadd PBB, is the adult size (Turkana grow bigger than Chad. Something to do with depth levels between the two areas) and the price.
This has come from Keita Shoji from Kamihata. One of the ORIGINAL collectors of PBB from Africa.
And owning WC & CB of both variants, I can see he is correct. Not much difference in the two.

Gecko
20-03-2011, 20:07
maybe woody can find out the river source of the pbbs he has exported out to Singapore....

Tokyogasmask
20-03-2011, 20:09
They will be Chad.
No fish have been exported from Turkana since the Kamihata Expedi.

Gecko
20-03-2011, 20:14
I see, thanks. That shud put an end to some speculations here for now...

Side note, wud be spectacular to have all the different color "morphs" in the same tank, regardless of source.

Tokyogasmask
20-03-2011, 20:20
Yus, would look great.
TBH though, I think though there will be individual coloring, I think most of the time it is down to tank settings, substrate, background how settled the fish is in the tank, and also the stress levels of the fish.

MilkMan
20-03-2011, 22:24
I have 3 WC Chads, all in the same tank, eating the same food, they all colour different. Seeing pictures from the web does not answer my question... Perhaps someone whom had placed them all WC Chad pbb in the same environment may wish to comment?

Tokyogasmask
20-03-2011, 23:34
I have 3 WC Chads, all in the same tank, eating the same food, they all colour different. Seeing pictures from the web does not answer my question... Perhaps someone whom had placed them all WC Chad pbb in the same environment may wish to comment?


Just happens mate.
The same with all Bichirs. for example many of my Guinea Laps that lived together same diet etc had different colors.
It's all good having a little variety!

Nile Bichir
20-03-2011, 23:56
I see, thanks. That shud put an end to some speculations here for now...

Side note, wud be spectacular to have all the different color "morphs" in the same tank, regardless of source.

Are you saying that some PBB owners are speculating that their PBB's are from Turkana, and not from Chad? How did they come up with such a speculation?

Tokyogasmask
21-03-2011, 00:05
Are you saying that some PBB owners are speculating that their PBB's are from Turkana, and not from Chad? How did they come up with such a speculation?

LOL, the price rate, danger of collection and the two sources are too different for people to "accidently" get a Turkana mixed up with a Chad!

MilkMan
21-03-2011, 00:18
LOL, the price rate, danger of collection and the two sources are too different for people to "accidently" get a Turkana mixed up with a Chad!
yes its highly unlikely for the mix up.

Schmike
21-03-2011, 01:10
i believe its really impossible for the mix up since the collection is from the same place. unless the bichirs can crawl on land to migrate from a lake to a river.

Gecko
21-03-2011, 09:34
Yup Milky pointed this out last month but sometimes things can grow legs...;)


out of curiosity, can a 12" "turkana" PBB be wrongly ID'd and sold as a WC "chad" as part of a import of "chad" pbbs? i was told a collector got lucky, he had managed to have the fish ID"d as "turcana" by his friend in Japan. TGS, a business thought perhaps? since you're japanese and speak/write good english. i'm hoping all the recent "chad" PBBs are WC from "turkana" :w00t::tongue_smilie::biggrin: how nice would tat be!!! hehe biggrin:

Schmike
21-03-2011, 10:21
i did heard of channas migrating that way in documentries. but unless chad river is very near lake turkana, if not i seriously doubt the PBBs can migrate even if they do behave like channas.

TRIX
21-03-2011, 11:15
To be frank, due to my ignorance and inexperience, whether it is a shipment of pure wc Chads or a shipment of wc Turkana or of any other rivers, I won't be able to tell which is which. They are so alike..especially so at this kind of sizes which they probably had just gone thru the teething stages...best is to wait for a batch of wc from other rivers to compare with the chads that we have:)

Tokyogasmask
21-03-2011, 11:59
To be frank, due to my ignorance and inexperience, whether it is a shipment of pure wc Chads or a shipment of wc Turkana or of any other rivers, I won't be able to tell which is which. They are so alike..especially so at this kind of sizes which they probably had just gone thru the teething stages...best is to wait for a batch of wc from other rivers to compare with the chads that we have:)

I have a WC from both rivers, both adults and it is hard to distinguish the two.
The Turkana has a more slender body, most likely due to Turkana growing longer.

At the end of the day, we are talking about the same fish, just from another lake.
The main reason my Turkana cost a lot more than the Chad is because it was from the original export from Kamihata, and comes with all papers to prove it.
Also the part of the lake where it is shallow enough for the PBB to thrive and breed is in the rebel controlled side of the lake. Since the Expedi 2008 which included a few groups doing fishing and humanitarian work (mainly Kamihata) was halted due to UN regulations involving profiteering from rebel territories, there has and will be no fishing in that area.
And this is why the 15 or so Turkana that were brought back have such a high cost. Not because that have super giant wings or anything else not present in Chad or Omo PBB.

TRIX
21-03-2011, 13:10
I have a WC from both rivers, both adults and it is hard to distinguish the two.
The Turkana has a more slender body, most likely due to Turkana growing longer.

At the end of the day, we are talking about the same fish, just from another lake.
The main reason my Turkana cost a lot more than the Chad is because it was from the original export from Kamihata, and comes with all papers to prove it.
Also the part of the lake where it is shallow enough for the PBB to thrive and breed is in the rebel controlled side of the lake. Since the Expedi 2008 which included a few groups doing fishing and humanitarian work (mainly Kamihata) was halted due to UN regulations involving profiteering from rebel territories, there has and will be no fishing in that area.
And this is why the 15 or so Turkana that were brought back have such a high cost. Not because that have super giant wings or anything else not present in Chad or Omo PBB.

Many thanks for the insight;)
So I guess to have something slightly different from the wc will be the Kamihata cb..they are real gorgeous too:)
Btw, any pix of pbb from Omo to share bro?

Tokyogasmask
21-03-2011, 13:33
Yup, Kamihata CB are very nice PBB.
They are also known here as "Full Color Bichir Bichir", and the name fits them well.

Omo and Turkana are the same thing.
Lake Omo spills into the Ethiopian border of Lake Turkana.

TRIX
21-03-2011, 14:39
Yup, Kamihata CB are very nice PBB.
They are also known here as "Full Color Bichir Bichir", and the name fits them well.

Omo and Turkana are the same thing.
Lake Omo spills into the Ethiopian border of Lake Turkana.

You are the man.:thumbup:

What I know about them are still so shallow..lol

Nile Bichir
21-03-2011, 18:48
Yup, Kamihata CB are very nice PBB.
They are also known here as "Full Color Bichir Bichir", and the name fits them well.

Omo and Turkana are the same thing.
Lake Omo spills into the Ethiopian border of Lake Turkana.

Yea bro TGM, you truly are a know-it-all of bichirs, in a good way. Besides translating information from magazines on our behalf, you also share your knowledge and experiences with greenhorns like us, which I believe everyone one here is truly grateful for =)

jimtan75
21-03-2011, 19:45
I have a WC from both rivers, both adults and it is hard to distinguish the two.
The Turkana has a more slender body, most likely due to Turkana growing longer.

At the end of the day, we are talking about the same fish, just from another lake.
The main reason my Turkana cost a lot more than the Chad is because it was from the original export from Kamihata, and comes with all papers to prove it.
Also the part of the lake where it is shallow enough for the PBB to thrive and breed is in the rebel controlled side of the lake. Since the Expedi 2008 which included a few groups doing fishing and humanitarian work (mainly Kamihata) was halted due to UN regulations involving profiteering from rebel territories, there has and will be no fishing in that area.
And this is why the 15 or so Turkana that were brought back have such a high cost. Not because that have super giant wings or anything else not present in Chad or Omo PBB.

very good info. Need your advise on how to differentiate PBB from Lapradei? longer headstructure, Thicker lower lip, 16-18 dorsal fins?
PBB is still top of my wish list.

TRIX
22-03-2011, 21:35
Finally got my 4th Chad today..a "Tancho"...:lol:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/db3d4382.jpg

amiidae
22-03-2011, 22:16
very good info. Need your advise on how to differentiate PBB from Lapradei? longer headstructure, Thicker lower lip, 16-18 dorsal fins?
PBB is still top of my wish list.


Welcome to PFK, Jim.

I believed you must have gone thru the entire thread. Basically there is no straight forward method to ID a PBB fm what I understand fm TGM and the rest of our PFK PBB clan.

Here are the few features use and to be read in conjunction.

1) Dorsal finlet count
2) Head structure
3) White color marking on the lower part of the fish
4) Marking at the tail area
5) General fish color


Finally got my 4th Chad today..a "Tancho"...:lol:


Nice.. your tank looks more and more like Milky's tank now. :laugh:

MilkMan
22-03-2011, 22:34
swee la! previous owner keeps good stuff, must chat him up more often.... hehehe :tongue:

TRIX
22-03-2011, 22:58
Nice.. your tank looks more and more like Milky's tank now. :laugh:
Haha..we are always in a transition phase..now turning into cavemen...next phase would be spacemen? Lol

swee la! previous owner keeps good stuff, must chat him up more often.... hehehe :tongue:
He will be very busy by then and no time for his parrot..keke

The full shot:)
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/736f3d39.jpg

jimtan75
22-03-2011, 23:01
Welcome to PFK, Jim.

I believed you must have gone thru the entire thread. Basically there is no straight forward method to ID a PBB fm what I understand fm TGM and the rest of our PFK PBB clan.

Here are the few features use and to be read in conjunction.

1) Dorsal finlet count
2) Head structure
3) White color marking on the lower part of the fish
4) Marking at the tail area
5) General fish color




After many years of bichir keeping, to be honest, I'm still quite skeptical about those 'PBB' sold in lfs. Unless it's a 60cm and above or 16-18 dorsal fin specimen.

Cheers

jimtan75
22-03-2011, 23:08
Haha..we are always in a transition phase..now turning into cavemen...next phase would be spacemen? Lol

He will be very busy by then and no time for his parrot..keke

The full shot:)
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/736f3d39.jpg

Very nice pbb. Hope to own one soon.

Curupira
22-03-2011, 23:17
Haha..we are always in a transition phase..now turning into cavemen...next phase would be spacemen? Lol

He will be very busy by then and no time for his parrot..keke

The full shot:)
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/736f3d39.jpg

Very nice, great catch... Later will post my new >$20 wolf

Gecko
22-03-2011, 23:27
Trix congrats on landing a great looking fellow....very nice!

TRIX
22-03-2011, 23:28
After many years of bichir keeping, to be honest, I'm still quite skeptical about those 'PBB' sold in lfs. Unless it's a 60cm and above or 16-18 dorsal fin specimen.

Cheers


Very nice pbb. Hope to own one soon.
Thanks bro:)
I do trust the 2 lfs who brought in the recent batches of pbb as the real deal:)

Very nice, great catch... Later will post my new >$20 wolf
Power lah you...let me know once you post:)

zaricfoo
23-03-2011, 06:18
Fierce looking PBB.. Nice:D

TRIX
23-03-2011, 07:36
Trix congrats on landing a great looking fellow....very nice!
Thanks bro...it is quite outstanding from the other few that I have..:)

Fierce looking PBB.. Nice:D
Yes..!! That's what I really like about this fella:w00t:

Tokyogasmask
23-03-2011, 08:26
Nice job Trix!

My wallet is getting PBB fever again...

TRIX
23-03-2011, 08:37
Trix congrats on landing a great looking fellow....very nice!


Nice job Trix!

My wallet is getting PBB fever again...

Thanks bro:)

Well, at least that's what's left for my to pick up...lol..lacking a Kamihata fish though..

Btw, is Kamihata Farm affected in Tokyo, Japan?

amiidae
23-03-2011, 08:40
After many years of bichir keeping, to be honest, I'm still quite skeptical about those 'PBB' sold in lfs. Unless it's a 60cm and above or 16-18 dorsal fin specimen.

Cheers

That would be pretty "ideal" for ID.

I am sure you know the following description in Fishbase.

Short description of Polypterus bichir bichir

Dorsal spines (total): 14 - 18; Anal spines: 0; Anal soft rays: 13 - 16; Vertebrae: 61 - 62. Subcylindrical body; its depth 6.8-10.3 times in its length; head length 4.1-5.5 times in body length (Ref. 2835). Head width 1.7-2.3 times in head length, eye-diameter 8.5-13.0 times in head length (Ref. 2835). Lower jaw slightly longer than upper jaw (Ref. 2835, Ref. 42908). Number of dorsal finlets: 14-18 (Ref. 42908); dorsal finlets overlapping when folded down (Ref. 31439). Number of branched dorsal and caudal rays: 19-21 (Ref. 367). Pectoral fin reaching first dorsal spine (Ref. 367). Ganoid scales (Ref. 36900, Ref. 42904): 63-70 lateral line scales; 46-54 scales around body; 11-16 predorsal scales (Ref. 2835, Ref. 42908). Lateral line scales are notched on the posterior border (Ref. 2835). The color is olive, but white on the ventral side, with three darker longitudinal bands on the lateral side, which are more visible in young than adults; pectoral and pelvic fins have greenish and yellowish transversal bands (Ref. 367, Ref. 2835).

Source : Fishbase (http://www.fishbase.org/summary/speciessummary.php?id=5020)

Assuming the data in Fishbase is accurate, then we can't rule out those specimen with 14 to 15 dorsal finlets as true PBB as well. :)

I have not done any check on the other measurement for a "15 finlet PBB".. maybe .. when I have more free time.. or any of PFK PBB clan member can do the measurement and update their findings. :)

Tokyogasmask
23-03-2011, 09:18
I have seen many PBB with 15 finlets. These are fully certified Polypterus Bichir Bichir.
I have seen none with 14 or less finlets.

To be fair, there has been a massive influx of PBB (from Chad) showing up all over the world the last few months, and IMO they are no longer "rare" fish. Just expensive.
So as long as the source is good, and the fish have all the basic traits, I see no reason for sold PBB not to be PBB anymore.


My guess is a massive price drop in the next few months.

TRIX
23-03-2011, 09:52
I have seen many PBB with 15 finlets. These are fully certified Polypterus Bichir Bichir.
I have seen none with 14 or less finlets.

To be fair, there has been a massive influx of PBB (from Chad) showing up all over the world the last few months, and IMO they are no longer "rare" fish. Just expensive.
So as long as the source is good, and the fish have all the basic traits, I see no reason for sold PBB not to be PBB anymore.


My guess is a massive price drop in the next few months.

Putting the Turkanas still as elusive.

Tokyogasmask
23-03-2011, 10:04
Putting the Turkanas still as elusive.

Unfortunatly.
That's the problem with fish in a warzone I guess.

On the subject of Turkana, I noticed something my WC Turkana has that my WC Chads (And my CB Chads) do not exhibit.
Before I say what, I would ask if you guys could all take a close up shot of your PBB heads from the front looking down.

The person who brought mine into the country in 2008 told me a trait that could just be the link....

jimtan75
23-03-2011, 12:35
That would be pretty "ideal" for ID.

I am sure you know the following description in Fishbase.

Short description of Polypterus bichir bichir

Dorsal spines (total): 14 - 18; Anal spines: 0; Anal soft rays: 13 - 16; Vertebrae: 61 - 62. Subcylindrical body; its depth 6.8-10.3 times in its length; head length 4.1-5.5 times in body length (Ref. 2835). Head width 1.7-2.3 times in head length, eye-diameter 8.5-13.0 times in head length (Ref. 2835). Lower jaw slightly longer than upper jaw (Ref. 2835, Ref. 42908). Number of dorsal finlets: 14-18 (Ref. 42908); dorsal finlets overlapping when folded down (Ref. 31439). Number of branched dorsal and caudal rays: 19-21 (Ref. 367). Pectoral fin reaching first dorsal spine (Ref. 367). Ganoid scales (Ref. 36900, Ref. 42904): 63-70 lateral line scales; 46-54 scales around body; 11-16 predorsal scales (Ref. 2835, Ref. 42908). Lateral line scales are notched on the posterior border (Ref. 2835). The color is olive, but white on the ventral side, with three darker longitudinal bands on the lateral side, which are more visible in young than adults; pectoral and pelvic fins have greenish and yellowish transversal bands (Ref. 367, Ref. 2835).

Source : Fishbase (http://www.fishbase.org/summary/speciessummary.php?id=5020)

Assuming the data in Fishbase is accurate, then we can't rule out those specimen with 14 to 15 dorsal finlets as true PBB as well. :)

I have not done any check on the other measurement for a "15 finlet PBB".. maybe .. when I have more free time.. or any of PFK PBB clan member can do the measurement and update their findings. :)

I do agree there are pbb with 14-15 dorsal fins.
I just want to be safe because almost every lapradei has 14-15 dorsal fins, headstructure is very difficult to ID when it's still a juvenile, color can't tell much as well.

Schmike
23-03-2011, 12:44
That would be pretty "ideal" for ID.

I am sure you know the following description in Fishbase.

Short description of Polypterus bichir bichir

Dorsal spines (total): 14 - 18; Anal spines: 0; Anal soft rays: 13 - 16; Vertebrae: 61 - 62. Subcylindrical body; its depth 6.8-10.3 times in its length; head length 4.1-5.5 times in body length (Ref. 2835). Head width 1.7-2.3 times in head length, eye-diameter 8.5-13.0 times in head length (Ref. 2835). Lower jaw slightly longer than upper jaw (Ref. 2835, Ref. 42908). Number of dorsal finlets: 14-18 (Ref. 42908); dorsal finlets overlapping when folded down (Ref. 31439). Number of branched dorsal and caudal rays: 19-21 (Ref. 367). Pectoral fin reaching first dorsal spine (Ref. 367). Ganoid scales (Ref. 36900, Ref. 42904): 63-70 lateral line scales; 46-54 scales around body; 11-16 predorsal scales (Ref. 2835, Ref. 42908). Lateral line scales are notched on the posterior border (Ref. 2835). The color is olive, but white on the ventral side, with three darker longitudinal bands on the lateral side, which are more visible in young than adults; pectoral and pelvic fins have greenish and yellowish transversal bands (Ref. 367, Ref. 2835).

Source : Fishbase (http://www.fishbase.org/summary/speciessummary.php?id=5020)

Assuming the data in Fishbase is accurate, then we can't rule out those specimen with 14 to 15 dorsal finlets as true PBB as well. :)

I have not done any check on the other measurement for a "15 finlet PBB".. maybe .. when I have more free time.. or any of PFK PBB clan member can do the measurement and update their findings. :)

I do agree there are pbb with 14-15 dorsal fins.
I just want to be safe because almost every lapradei has 14-15 dorsal fins, headstructure is very difficult to ID when it's still a juvenile, color can't tell much as well.
When the fish is right in front of you it's easier to tell them apart. I was going crazy comparing pictures trying to tell them apart.

There are lapradeis with 16 finlets. Finlet count is still not that accurate. Just that the chances of it being a pbb is higher.

amiidae
23-03-2011, 14:07
I do agree there are pbb with 14-15 dorsal fins.
I just want to be safe because almost every lapradei has 14-15 dorsal fins, headstructure is very difficult to ID when it's still a juvenile, color can't tell much as well.

Fully understand where you are coming from esp. when the fish is not that particular cheap at the moment.

btw, what are you keeping now ?

jimtan75
23-03-2011, 14:51
Fully understand where you are coming from esp. when the fish is not that particular cheap at the moment.

btw, what are you keeping now ?

Now still keeping endy, aro and st. Same old stock :o

Gecko
23-03-2011, 23:09
Guys, now on National Geographic, Fish Warrior, guy fishing for Nile Perch on Turkana river....

Schmike
23-03-2011, 23:26
nice perch. but i doubt they will be able to get any bichirs.

Gecko
23-03-2011, 23:47
Actually I was looking out for, but no sign of war or civil unrest.....I think it is just very far flung, no proper gear, and lacks logistics....if this episode was shot recently.

Schmike
23-03-2011, 23:54
probably within the last 2 years. the date in the show was march. i remember seeing this episode before but didn't take note of the location.

TRIX
23-03-2011, 23:56
Actually I was looking out for, but no sign of war or civil unrest.....I think it is just very far flung, no proper gear, and lacks logistics....if this episode was shot recently.

Yah man....:huh:

Or else how much would this Nile Mammoth cost with all guns pointing at you?

Schmike
24-03-2011, 00:00
i remember there was another episode where a group of them went to congo. few of them were kayaking with sensors to capture data of the river. they came into contact with some guys holding AK47. after that they kayak non stop all the way to their next meet up point.

Tokyogasmask
24-03-2011, 08:26
Actually I was looking out for, but no sign of war or civil unrest.....I think it is just very far flung, no proper gear, and lacks logistics....if this episode was shot recently.

Depends where you go. From the Info I have read up on, the northern part of the Lake (Known locally as "Lake Rudulf") is where the danger is. This is where it meets Ethiopia.
The Ethiopian side has shallower, calmer water where our beloved fish thrive. But is also a haven for rebels and pirates coming from Ethiopia and Sudan.
This is the reason the UN, Medicines sans frontiers, and all the commercial fishing/farming was pulled out of the area in recent years.
And why Kamihata and related groups had to cut the expeditions short.

The other parts of the Lake for example the Kenya area is heavily populated and the lake is also drilled.
There is even national parks in these areas, so I guess it's pretty safe.
I believe (but I could be wrong) this is where your fish program was filmed.

TRIX
24-03-2011, 10:19
Depends where you go. From the Info I have read up on, the northern part of the Lake (Known locally as "Lake Rudulf") is where the danger is. This is where it meets Ethiopia.
The Ethiopian side has shallower, calmer water where our beloved fish thrive. But is also a haven for rebels and pirates coming from Ethiopia and Sudan.
This is the reason the UN, Medicines sans frontiers, and all the commercial fishing/farming was pulled out of the area in recent years.
And why Kamihata and related groups had to cut the expeditions short.

The other parts of the Lake for example the Kenya area is heavily populated and the lake is also drilled.
There is even national parks in these areas, so I guess it's pretty safe.
I believe (but I could be wrong) this is where your fish program was filmed.

Very informative, bro!

These rivers are really very big and exotic..

Btw, are you aware that we have only 1 river in Singapore and it's called Kallang River. It's more for "Giant Duck" filled with tourists more than any nice species of fishes in it...
Our reservoirs, a dumping ground from hobbyists are where we would likely find better and improved fish species..:lol:

Curupira
24-03-2011, 10:28
Very informative, bro!

These rivers are really very big and exotic..

Btw, are you aware that we have only 1 river in Singapore and it's called Kallang River. It's more for "Giant Duck" filled with tourists more than any nice species of fishes in it...
Our reservoirs, a dumping ground from hobbyists are where we would likely find better and improved fish species..:lol:

Well not forgetting we have our Guilin.... wonder what rare fish they have there...

TRIX
24-03-2011, 12:17
Well not forgetting we have our Guilin.... wonder what rare fish they have there...

Hope to find a PBB sp. Guilin there...:)

Anyway, come to think of it, our rivers/waters are heavily guarded too...a couple was arrested and fined for having a good time at 11pm by the river...lol

MilkMan
24-03-2011, 12:32
Hope to find a PBB sp. Guilin there...:)

Anyway, come to think of it, our rivers/waters are heavily guarded too...a couple was arrested and fined for having a good time at 11pm by the river...lol

hahahaha! must have seen some action in the water for them to start making out...

TRIX
24-03-2011, 12:34
Haha...

Here's my gangsta paradise..:)

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/defdc2cb.jpg

jimtan75
24-03-2011, 16:43
Haha...

Here's my gangsta paradise..:)

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/defdc2cb.jpg

Hi TRIX

I like your comm and setup. May I know where you bought your driftwood from?

Thanks & Regards
Jim

Nile Bichir
24-03-2011, 18:19
Haha...

Here's my gangsta paradise..:)

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/defdc2cb.jpg

Gorgeous PBBs, especially the one closest to the log on the left! You own 4 PBBs so far, I suppose?

TRIX
24-03-2011, 23:16
Hi TRIX

I like your comm and setup. May I know where you bought your driftwood from?

Thanks & Regards
Jim
Thanks Jim..! I got them from Green Chapter.

Gorgeous PBBs, especially the one closest to the log on the left! You own 4 PBBs so far, I suppose?
Yah..that's my fourth Chad, thanks!:)

TRIX
24-03-2011, 23:23
Digged from my closet some old Japanese Fish Magazines and found some nice pictures of big pbb..following extracted from July 2005 issue:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/6f230971.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/2456009e.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/652154f6.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/9cf98c2a.jpg

TRIX
24-03-2011, 23:56
Sorry for the warp pictures taken by my iPhone, couldn't hold the pages properly...

Sharing pix of spawning/development stages from March and July issues 2005...

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/8fc515b6.jpg
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Triximon/36cc1a8a.jpg

King-eL
25-03-2011, 04:17
Even the larvae stage already got teeth. Nice thanks for sharing!

TRIX
25-03-2011, 08:30
Even the larvae stage already got teeth. Nice thanks for sharing!

You are most welcome bro..and yeah, how cool can it be? Even the colour of the lavae in the egg already so exotic looking..

I have issues from late 2003 onwards, so tot of sharing pictures here with you guys..it's a shame that I'm unable to understand the text in Japanese though..

MilkMan
25-03-2011, 08:54
lovely. any more soon?

Curupira
25-03-2011, 09:05
Even the larvae stage already got teeth. Nice thanks for sharing!

I like the teeth....you know me i always have a thing for sharp teeth...haha
look so much like a dinosaur... guess that the colour we will see 65m years ago...

Tokyogasmask
25-03-2011, 09:34
You are most welcome bro..and yeah, how cool can it be? Even the colour of the lavae in the egg already so exotic looking..

I have issues from late 2003 onwards, so tot of sharing pictures here with you guys..it's a shame that I'm unable to understand the text in Japanese though..

I can translate for you.

Gecko
25-03-2011, 09:58
Looks very interesting Trix, maybe we try endy breeding...:0

Curupira
25-03-2011, 10:06
Looks very interesting Trix, maybe we try endy breeding...:0

what endy breeding... should be PBB breeding...
then i help create the cert... haha

TRIX
25-03-2011, 10:12
lovely. any more soon?
If I have a choice, I would prefer scanning the pages for best viewing pleasure..haha


I can translate for you.
Thanks for the offer, I will consult you again if I have any article to be translated:)


Looks very interesting Trix, maybe we try endy breeding...:0
Haha, looks easy but not sure how it's done. Anyway, I would enjoy seeing their growth first, breeding would be a bonus..:)

Tokyogasmask
28-03-2011, 09:09
My big boy, Mr. T:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_4LFzTpQpU0o/TYXfS3QEjSI/AAAAAAAAaBo/R4QBqr_arPI/s1152/IMG_1858.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_4LFzTpQpU0o/TYXfTpMUE5I/AAAAAAAAZ90/CNe2qYDG6NA/s1152/IMG_1859.JPG

TRIX
28-03-2011, 09:54
My big boy, Mr. T:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_4LFzTpQpU0o/TYXfS3QEjSI/AAAAAAAAaBo/R4QBqr_arPI/s1152/IMG_1858.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_4LFzTpQpU0o/TYXfTpMUE5I/AAAAAAAAZ90/CNe2qYDG6NA/s1152/IMG_1859.JPG

And that would be lovely Mr. Wild Turkana right? Any full body shot of it?

Mike Shak
28-03-2011, 10:22
seeing all shifus nice PBBs make me wana strive to save harder to buy 1 to keep in near future =)

Schmike
28-03-2011, 10:36
My big boy, Mr. T:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_4LFzTpQpU0o/TYXfS3QEjSI/AAAAAAAAaBo/R4QBqr_arPI/s1152/IMG_1858.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_4LFzTpQpU0o/TYXfTpMUE5I/AAAAAAAAZ90/CNe2qYDG6NA/s1152/IMG_1859.JPG

the color of this turkana looks similar to my WC Chad. so mine is a WC Turkana? (i know it's impossible :lol:)

Tokyogasmask
28-03-2011, 11:39
the color of this turkana looks similar to my WC Chad. so mine is a WC Turkana? (i know it's impossible :lol:)


Colorado and head shape is pretty much same as my WC chad too.
There really is almost no difference between Chad and Turkana other than final size, and natural body marking and colorings.

Even that is difficult for me to tell, as I keep both on black sand which merges all the colors and patterns to green!

If you bought as a Chad, most likely is chad.

Schmike
28-03-2011, 12:39
i definitely got it as a WC Chad.

Tokyogasmask
28-03-2011, 13:02
To be totally honest, the huge premium on the few WC Turkana out there is really not worth it.
I was expecting a lot of differences (My CB Turkana looks waaay different to my CB Chad) when I got this one it is hard to see any.
In the documentation with this was a small pamphlet called "Kamihata Expedi 2008" and has some information on the work they were doing in Turkana before the UN put a stop to it.
Even in there it states that there is very little difference between the locales unlike the differences in locals of other Bichirs such as Lapradei and Endlicheri.
The only thing it mentions is the longer adult length and that they believe the Turkana have a more "slender" appearence.

The people I got mine from also said about black markings (like little spots) on the dorsal finlets of Turkana, and when I picked mine up it was paler due to it's housing and I could clearly see these markings on most of the finlets.
But once in my tank with Black gravel it all merged into the green color.

I did notice while I was quarantining it in a tank with neutral gravel, that the markings seem to stop horizontally half way down the body giving it a real 2 tone Green / Cream that none of my other PBB have.

I think as soon as I get my shipment of crushed quartz, there may be more to tell them apart.

All in all, I was lucky to get a large chunk of money off this fish, even with cert, export papers and other pointless Kamihata "FUD".
Looking back now If I would have paid the full ¥300,000 for this fish I may well have had buyers remorse...

MilkMan
28-03-2011, 18:41
yes, do share and update. a Chad maybe hiding behind the "papers" since one can hardly tell them apart. :laugh: color and perhaps body markings/patterns may differ even if they're from the same river.

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